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on the debt ceiling, and you did. last year you said that you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. and you did. so if you say now you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> first of all, julianna, let's take the example this year in the fiscal cliff. i did not say i wouldn't have any conversations at all about extending the bush tax cuts. what i said was we weren't going to extend bush tax cuts for the wealthy. and we didn't. now, you can argue that during the campaign i said -- i set the criteria for wealthy at 250 and we ended up being at 400, but the fact of the matter is, millionaires, billionaires are paying significantly more in taxes, just as i said. so from the start, my concern was making sure that we had a tax code that was fair and that protected the middle class, and my biggest priority was making sure the middle class
on the debt ceiling, and you did. last year you said that you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. and you did. so if you say now you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> first of all, julianna, let's take the example this year in the fiscal cliff. i did not say i wouldn't have any conversations at...
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translation, the debt ceiling deal didn't do enough about the debt itself. so keep this in mind when you hear it said,be with great certainty it's the republicans trying to force spending cuts over endangering the nation credit rating. as will rogers quoted once, "it isn'tbe what we don't know that gives us trouble. it's what we know that ain't so." bret? >> bret: the president has effectively turned the messaging around. by saying it's about paying the bills that congress has already passed. the laws that it's already passed. republicans are saying it's about borrowing authority. essentially running up the country's credit card. >> exactly. what the republicans are saying is look, we maxed out the credit card. it's time before we extend any new credit or allow any new credit to do something aboutbe the spending that got us here. that would seem on the surface to be a reasonable argument. but so far, the republicans have not been able to win it. and what tends to happen in the fights when you get all of this late hour melodrama as we have had in the last cou
translation, the debt ceiling deal didn't do enough about the debt itself. so keep this in mind when you hear it said,be with great certainty it's the republicans trying to force spending cuts over endangering the nation credit rating. as will rogers quoted once, "it isn'tbe what we don't know that gives us trouble. it's what we know that ain't so." bret? >> bret: the president has effectively turned the messaging around. by saying it's about paying the bills that congress has...
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the debt ceiling and you did. last year you said you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling, this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. i didn't say that i would not not have any conversations about extending the bush tax cuts, what i said we wouldn't extend bush tax cuts for wealthy and we didn't. we can argue during the campaign that i said, i set the criteria for wealthy at 250, and we ended up being at 400. but the fact of the matter is that millionaires, billionaires, are paying significantly more in taxes, just as i said. so from, you know, from the start my concern was making sure that we had a tax code that was fair and that protected the middle class and my biggest priority was making sure middle class tax
the debt ceiling and you did. last year you said you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling, this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. i didn't say that i would not not have any...
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the debt ceiling is announcing the amount of money the states can borrow. today the president responded to some republicans who say they are willing to shut down the government if the president doesn't back down. ultimately congress makes decisions about whether or not we spend money and keep the government open. if they decide they want to shut down the government in order to get their way they have the votes in the house of representatives to do that. i think that would be a mistake. >> john boehner responded the american people do not support raising the debt ceiling without reducing government spending statement. wendell, a government shut down, is that something that really might happen? neither side is ready to blink yet. he has laid out they are ready to compromise if possible that could lead to a government shut down although probably not right away. president obama suggested right before the u.s. the people at home might be told they have to wait for their money. >> if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time social security
the debt ceiling is announcing the amount of money the states can borrow. today the president responded to some republicans who say they are willing to shut down the government if the president doesn't back down. ultimately congress makes decisions about whether or not we spend money and keep the government open. if they decide they want to shut down the government in order to get their way they have the votes in the house of representatives to do that. i think that would be a mistake. >>...
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okay, charles, start with the debt ceiling talk. what you heard from the president. >> the tone was remarkable. he talk about the republicans being suspicious of the social security and medicare by the oldest saw that you could hear. then he added making sure empovrished children get food. that's over the top. he said i love to hang out with a congressional picnic at these people who want to starve america's chirp. interesting ini havation. then he went over and over on the debt ceiling and he must have gone through the same idea 15 times. saying this is about honoring the obligation and paying the bills we have already incured. he raised the debt ceiling on how to depend on the ongoing financial assistance from the foreign country to finance the reckless, fiscal pollty. the point of raising the debt ceiling is to allow to us borrow. he talked about the debt ceiling a dozen times. not once did he use the word "borrow." that means we are going to continue to borrow for every dollar the government spend, only 60 cents of it come from
okay, charles, start with the debt ceiling talk. what you heard from the president. >> the tone was remarkable. he talk about the republicans being suspicious of the social security and medicare by the oldest saw that you could hear. then he added making sure empovrished children get food. that's over the top. he said i love to hang out with a congressional picnic at these people who want to starve america's chirp. interesting ini havation. then he went over and over on the debt ceiling...
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ceiling f.congress raises the debt cell what does it do. puts us more in debt. >> it allows him to borrow more money. >>reporter: half the people we talked to had no idea what the debt ceiling was. she blamed lawmakers. >> i believe honestly they make things purposely confuse to go do whatever they want. >>reporter: so if the president wants to turn up the heat on house republicans he has to make the issue clear and as bruce explains, republicans need to decide if they really want to stand their ground on this issue at the risk of economic down tivrnlt i think a lot has to do yes tea party you want to make a case is this the time to do it and right way to do it. that i think is boehner responsibility to explain that to his caucus members. my unitsing that's what he's planning to do over the next couple days. >>reporter: tea party express issued a statement saying it's completely irresponsible for the president of the united states to demagog this issue. the president will have big opportunity to speak to the nation on this if he chooses t t
ceiling f.congress raises the debt cell what does it do. puts us more in debt. >> it allows him to borrow more money. >>reporter: half the people we talked to had no idea what the debt ceiling was. she blamed lawmakers. >> i believe honestly they make things purposely confuse to go do whatever they want. >>reporter: so if the president wants to turn up the heat on house republicans he has to make the issue clear and as bruce explains, republicans need to decide if they...
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one example the debt creel and controlli -- debt ceiling and what americans describe as out of control spending. republicans take with the attitude toward congress at this point? >> to get real solutions president obama needs to understand what will pass in the republican led house. it will also be acceptable to him. lawmakers tend to be unhappy when the president goes around them. they called on mr. obama to do better. >> he speaks in general terms likes the executive order approach a whole lot better than the legislative approach. you can't get all that foreign with executive order. you have to legislate and you have to legislate realistically. you have to realize you don't control the entire congress. >> republicans don't like that the president is converting his campaign apparatus into a purpose that helped him in his second term. they are thinking that is probably not a good sign in working in a bipartisan fashion. >> one area where they do not agree at all is over the budget. it>> it has been a source of problems when they work on critical issues and budget is a key component. th
one example the debt creel and controlli -- debt ceiling and what americans describe as out of control spending. republicans take with the attitude toward congress at this point? >> to get real solutions president obama needs to understand what will pass in the republican led house. it will also be acceptable to him. lawmakers tend to be unhappy when the president goes around them. they called on mr. obama to do better. >> he speaks in general terms likes the executive order...
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he wants to conduct those talks separately from the gop to raise the debt ceiling. he hopes by doing so he can avert a first ever national default. >> kelly wright live in washington. thank you. >>> it is time to take a look at who is talking. another big battle on capitol hill of course. the gun control debate. joe biden announced his task force regulations. we are hearing from one congressman who has a personal connection to this. >> despite the mash shoot something representative barber says he still supports the second mainedment. >> i feel very strongly that the second amendment should be protected and the supreme court has ruled and there's no question it is a right that all americans have a right to bear arms or have a rifle for that matter. but the issue of the magazines which were used in the shooting in tucson in january of 2011 that's one that we need to take a hard look at. the shooter in our case had 30 bullets in the magazine one more in the chamber in less than 45 seconds 19 people were down and 6 were killed. i saw my boss shot through the head i saw
he wants to conduct those talks separately from the gop to raise the debt ceiling. he hopes by doing so he can avert a first ever national default. >> kelly wright live in washington. thank you. >>> it is time to take a look at who is talking. another big battle on capitol hill of course. the gun control debate. joe biden announced his task force regulations. we are hearing from one congressman who has a personal connection to this. >> despite the mash shoot something...
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ceiling. >> we've always raised the debt ceiling. we should pay our bills as the president said, we're not a dead-bet country. i'm glad they finally saw the light. we need to pay our bills and move forward. there is a stronghold of 75 republican tea party members who quite frankly do listen to the tea party in many ways, and hopefully this is a signal that they too need to understand that this should not be an issue. it should not be held honestly. hostage. we should raise the debt ceiling. that's an automatic. we should move forward and talk about how we create jobs. by creating jobs we reduce the deficit. >> jennifer: i'm take taking it as an encouraging sign that the tea party can be moved by public voices. if they can be moved on the debt ceiling of all things, maybe they could be moved on guns. you wrote in the "huffington post," advocating reducing defense spending so you can spend more money and invest in the united states. the question is in the negotiations in congress over the spending do you see that happening? >> we've go
ceiling. >> we've always raised the debt ceiling. we should pay our bills as the president said, we're not a dead-bet country. i'm glad they finally saw the light. we need to pay our bills and move forward. there is a stronghold of 75 republican tea party members who quite frankly do listen to the tea party in many ways, and hopefully this is a signal that they too need to understand that this should not be an issue. it should not be held honestly. hostage. we should raise the debt...
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>> they seemed to welcome the idea, the republicans sound willing to extend the debt ceiling. a spokesman for majority leader harry reid says if the house can pass a clean debt ceiling increase to avoid default and allow the white house to to meet its existing obligations we will be happy to consider it. they don't want the drama. >> debt ceiling in a manner that causes no concern to the economy and to global markets, that does not in any way suggest that washington is about to, you know, engage in another process that results in a self-inflicted wound to the economy. >> this afternoon, carney calls on congress to pass an extension of the borrowing limit without delay. bill? >> bill: get ready for another battle. thanks, mike. mike immanuel from washington tonight. top story as we go around the world tonight in 80 seconds. >> china, had happened after a cargo ship ran aground on some rocks and sprang a leak. the crew reportedly trapped for seven hours in stiff winds and wonderful waives. the helicopter team pulled all four people on board to safety in just 35 minutes. germany.
>> they seemed to welcome the idea, the republicans sound willing to extend the debt ceiling. a spokesman for majority leader harry reid says if the house can pass a clean debt ceiling increase to avoid default and allow the white house to to meet its existing obligations we will be happy to consider it. they don't want the drama. >> debt ceiling in a manner that causes no concern to the economy and to global markets, that does not in any way suggest that washington is about to, you...
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they decided to get off the track of fighting him on raising the debt ceiling. they're still going to negotiate that path. they have to vote, look at the first daughter. reflect the public's desire. cut government spending to compromise while thinking ahead to their own political calendar and trying to push the president where they can, where they think it's appropriate. >> this is as decent a measure as how far we've come in four years ago any. everyone looking at the first daughters, saying how big they've grown in four years. >> they seemed like little girls four years ago and now they are young ladies. >> and notably out of the spotlight, which is just how their mother and dad want. sasha needed a box to stand on last time. no more. >> her older sister is strikingly tall. she moves around the corridors of school. >> and their grandmother, michelle obama's mother is there, also. we don't really get to see enough of her. >> as is her wish. everyone around me just says what a terrific president is around the white house. it makes it feel like home, makes it fee
they decided to get off the track of fighting him on raising the debt ceiling. they're still going to negotiate that path. they have to vote, look at the first daughter. reflect the public's desire. cut government spending to compromise while thinking ahead to their own political calendar and trying to push the president where they can, where they think it's appropriate. >> this is as decent a measure as how far we've come in four years ago any. everyone looking at the first daughters,...
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the debt ceiling has been in place since 1939. you have competing ideas, one on the house, john boehner said we'll raise the debt sealing a dollar for every dollar you cut spending. republicans out of pennsylvania, pat toomey you prioritize the bills you pay for long period of time. weeks and months. make sure the military is taken care of. >> sure. bill: would you back house idea or senate idea or neither? >> i think both are part of the negotiation strategy. i think john boehner's plan to bring down spending dollar for dollar makes a lot of sense and i think pat toomey's does. you don't want to cut very things most critical to the u.s. there is lot of garbage spending in government, believe me, bill, when i say that. why would you make the critical spending the first things you're going to cut except just to hold the country hostage. that is what the democrats are threatening. it doesn't make sense. bill: do you think republicans can win on either option? >> if they do it carefully, slowly and comfortably, yes i do think they ca
the debt ceiling has been in place since 1939. you have competing ideas, one on the house, john boehner said we'll raise the debt sealing a dollar for every dollar you cut spending. republicans out of pennsylvania, pat toomey you prioritize the bills you pay for long period of time. weeks and months. make sure the military is taken care of. >> sure. bill: would you back house idea or senate idea or neither? >> i think both are part of the negotiation strategy. i think john boehner's...
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let the debt ceiling battle begin. president obama calling on congress to raise the limit without delay. house speaker boehner says spending cuts must be part of any increase. who will win and how will it impact the already fragile economy? we're looking for answers on that. >>> general motors takes the prize. the cadillac ats wins car of the year at the north american auto show. gm also announcing record chevy sales. plus new plans for its corvette. my favorite car. >>> and gm north america president mark reuss tells us all about it. that is live coming up from detroit. >>> weight watcher's ceo is here too. he was one of the corporate america's loudest voices leading up to the fiscal cliff. now that paychecks are smaller in 2013 how worried is he about the impact on his business? david kir chof here as well it is time for stocks. nicole petallides on the floor of the new york stock exchange. we're basically flat-lining. >> not far off the unchanged line. the trend is slightly higher. that's right, on friday for exampl
let the debt ceiling battle begin. president obama calling on congress to raise the limit without delay. house speaker boehner says spending cuts must be part of any increase. who will win and how will it impact the already fragile economy? we're looking for answers on that. >>> general motors takes the prize. the cadillac ats wins car of the year at the north american auto show. gm also announcing record chevy sales. plus new plans for its corvette. my favorite car. >>> and...
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raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficit, america can't afford another debate with this congress whether or not they should pay the bills they already racked up. if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time, social security checks and veterans benefits will be delayed. we might not be able to pay our troops and honor our contracts with small business owners. food inspectors, air traffic controllers, wouldn't get their paychecks. invest ors around the world will ask if america is a safe bet? markets could go haywire, interest rates would spike. every student can a college loan, every small business owner who wants to hire, it would be a self-inflicted wound on the economy. it would slow down our growth, might tip us into a recession. and ironically would p
raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficit, america can't afford another debate with this congress whether or not they should pay the bills they already racked up. if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on...
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ceiling and they have to not play around with the debt ceiling powell is a sophisticated player. i don't think he does anything without thinking it through quite well. that's why i said what i said i want to make sure we have your allegations on the record. i don't want to put words in your mouth. >> it's a supposition. >> bill: you say that you think that collin powell was asked by someone to go out and defend chuck hagel's nomination. and at the same time, raise the spector that some people are owe posing the president's policies because he is black. that that was to put in one interview in one presentation. that's what you think may have happened? it might have happened. implication of what he said really is quite inprogram inflay to say least. it's in line with what liberal commentators have said for some time. every time you criticize barack obama there will be someone out there in the blogosphere or television or radio saying well you just like the fact that a black man is in power. it's ridiculous. if you want to look at intolerance and collin powell knows this well you do
ceiling and they have to not play around with the debt ceiling powell is a sophisticated player. i don't think he does anything without thinking it through quite well. that's why i said what i said i want to make sure we have your allegations on the record. i don't want to put words in your mouth. >> it's a supposition. >> bill: you say that you think that collin powell was asked by someone to go out and defend chuck hagel's nomination. and at the same time, raise the spector that...
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i think we should extend, if not end the debt ceiling issue. we should just set it aside for it through a period of time. we should tackle a sequestration then we have to do that in the next six weeks. so i hope that we don't drag this out as some people are saying and then move onto a serious serious discussion of tax reform. and entitlement issues. so i see it in a sense the opposite way. i say let's get this done, and a sequestration part in the debt ceiling the next six weeks and then move on. those who are saying let's do a triple feature both, they are the ones who would be underwriting the effort to sit down and have a serious discussion of tax reform entitlements. >> we have about two minutes left. francine. >> i have a question about itemize deductions. what's your thought on having a cap on itemize deductions that people can use for whatever they want. mark h. word whatever. >> the problem with a cab is that it has to seriously consequence, especially for charitable contributions. because a substantial portion of the charitable contri
i think we should extend, if not end the debt ceiling issue. we should just set it aside for it through a period of time. we should tackle a sequestration then we have to do that in the next six weeks. so i hope that we don't drag this out as some people are saying and then move onto a serious serious discussion of tax reform. and entitlement issues. so i see it in a sense the opposite way. i say let's get this done, and a sequestration part in the debt ceiling the next six weeks and then move...
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for example, how to raise the debt ceiling. can they even get that passed? at the end of the week, boehner will head to williamsburg, virginia to walk them through the consequences of default and then sell them on a plan that steers them away from that. as the vice president gets set to meet with house democrats about gun violence today, if the political will to change gun laws really there? democratic congressman jim clyburn, he joins me next on that topic and some others. like are we headed for another government shutdown? fight over the debt ceiling, what comes first, but first, a look ahead at the president's schedule today. lots of off camera meetings. life live lunch. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this
for example, how to raise the debt ceiling. can they even get that passed? at the end of the week, boehner will head to williamsburg, virginia to walk them through the consequences of default and then sell them on a plan that steers them away from that. as the vice president gets set to meet with house democrats about gun violence today, if the political will to change gun laws really there? democratic congressman jim clyburn, he joins me next on that topic and some others. like are we headed...
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let's use the sequester, but don't use the debt ceiling. that's a bad idea. >> president said he won't negotiate on the debt ceiling. >> i think he's right on that. >> senator, thank you. good to see you. >> thank you. nice to see you all. >>> and we spoke to supreme court justice sonia sotomayor. she spoke with scott pelley about her new york city home and reputation as a tough corporate lawyer. >> you write in your book that one day one of the associates one of your colleagues was on the telephone, and he described you, your words, not mine as one tough -- >> his words. >> as one tough bitch. >> yeah. >> and when you heard that, you thought what? >> what in the world is wrong with me? i was a pretty tough negotiator and hard to push around and i don't think they were used to my kind of toughness then. >> is his description in any way unfair? >> probably not. >> she's been called a lot of things, but she told us more than madam justice, she prefers another title. >> it's sonia from the bronx. >> what does it mean to be sonia from the bronx
let's use the sequester, but don't use the debt ceiling. that's a bad idea. >> president said he won't negotiate on the debt ceiling. >> i think he's right on that. >> senator, thank you. good to see you. >> thank you. nice to see you all. >>> and we spoke to supreme court justice sonia sotomayor. she spoke with scott pelley about her new york city home and reputation as a tough corporate lawyer. >> you write in your book that one day one of the associates...
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they only have about 4-6 weeks left before the nation hits the national debt ceiling. republicans are calling for budge cuts in return for raising the debt ceiling, but president obama came out swinging during his news conference on monday claiming he's already gone a long way toward closing the budget gap. joining us now to fact check some of his statements, stephen hayes, a senior writer for the weekly standard and a fox news contributor, douglas holtz-eakin is now president of the american action forum. just as a general rule, steven, when you heard the president speaking in that news conference, was he generally being honest with the american people about the state of our finances? >> well, i would say there were some things he said that were true, some things that he said that were, i think, misleading. importantly, he didn't put into proper context the discussion that we're having nationally about the debt ceiling and about the state of our finances more broadly. if you look at where we are, more than $16 trillion in debt, the president is right when he says that
they only have about 4-6 weeks left before the nation hits the national debt ceiling. republicans are calling for budge cuts in return for raising the debt ceiling, but president obama came out swinging during his news conference on monday claiming he's already gone a long way toward closing the budget gap. joining us now to fact check some of his statements, stephen hayes, a senior writer for the weekly standard and a fox news contributor, douglas holtz-eakin is now president of the american...
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but house republicans have been equally adamant they will not raise the debt ceiling unless the president first agrees to major spending cuts. >> i think the real issue here is, we all know, is spending. >> reporter: the president insists this is not even a subject for negotiation. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. >> reporter: stakes are higher than they were during the new year's eve showdown over the fiscal cliff. if an agreement isn't reached, the federal government faces default on its debt and a partial shutdown. >> social security checks and veterans benefits will be delayed. we might not be able to pay our troops. >> reporter: some have suggested president obama would have better luck with the republicans if he socialized with them. the president said that probably wouldn't make much of a difference, but he wouldn't mind trying. >> most people who know me, know i'm a pretty friendly guy. and i like a good party. >> jon, the president also talked about pr
but house republicans have been equally adamant they will not raise the debt ceiling unless the president first agrees to major spending cuts. >> i think the real issue here is, we all know, is spending. >> reporter: the president insists this is not even a subject for negotiation. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. >> reporter: stakes are...
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in 2011 when we had the debt ceiling debacle, they agreed to the budget control act which was another billion dollars, roughly, of cuts. again, mostly from if not entirely from discretionary programs. and then, of course, we had the fiscal cliff which was $650 billion of revenue increases. so so far, we've actually had $2.4 trillion over a ten-year period of deficit reduction. but about 30% of it has come from rev lienue increases and at the other 70% from come from spending cuts. entirely from discretionary programs. >> what's the budget control act? >> it's what came out of the last debt ceiling debacle when the republicans and the democrats agreed on this trillion dollars of roughly discretionary -- all discretionary spending reductions. but the point is, none of this really touches entitlements. none of it touches the mandatory. and its $2.4 trillion. >> where is the sequestration in these numbers? >> it's not in here yet because it hasn't happened yet. this is sort of where we are today. this next graph shows you how budget wonks measure our progress. if we had done nothing, we w
in 2011 when we had the debt ceiling debacle, they agreed to the budget control act which was another billion dollars, roughly, of cuts. again, mostly from if not entirely from discretionary programs. and then, of course, we had the fiscal cliff which was $650 billion of revenue increases. so so far, we've actually had $2.4 trillion over a ten-year period of deficit reduction. but about 30% of it has come from rev lienue increases and at the other 70% from come from spending cuts. entirely from...
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be held wednesday to raise the debt ceiling temporarily. why would they do something like this, which might seem at first blush to be backing down. there were a couple of reasons, scott. first of all they looked at polling when they were out there at that retreat it looks like the polling that you were just talking about. it showed that americans by a pretty significant margin trust the president over house republicans when it comes to things like the deficit which is one of their signature issues. and spending and the economy. what republican leaders were trying to convey to some of their more junior members, perhaps who like the idea of really holding the white house's feet to the fire on issues like this, if we want to be seen as a governing party not just an opposition party that is constantly threatening to take the government in to a shutdown or default we are going to have to show that we are reasonable. and the fact is that they are going to hold this vote now and they still get another bite of the apple three months from now to try
be held wednesday to raise the debt ceiling temporarily. why would they do something like this, which might seem at first blush to be backing down. there were a couple of reasons, scott. first of all they looked at polling when they were out there at that retreat it looks like the polling that you were just talking about. it showed that americans by a pretty significant margin trust the president over house republicans when it comes to things like the deficit which is one of their signature...